Thursday, March 10, 2011

"Summer League" Signups have begun

It's too early yet to figure out who will be the teams to beat. I've heard numerous rumors of how things might shake out, but will reserve judgment until things are official.

There are a few things of note thus far. It looks like Jochen Moser will be putting together a 5.0 team. I don't expect them to compete for a Sectionals berth, but it will be nice to have a new team out there. In 4.5 JCC will be fielding two teams this year. The team captained by Joe Warren has designs on being a factor, and may well be one. My old teammate Pete Taylor is already on their roster, and I expect Greg Medford will also be playing, giving them a potentially strong one-two singles punch. If their doubles lineup ends up looking like I expect it will, there will be some holes in the lineup, but they WILL be dangerous.

If Benzon/Freeman don't put together a serious 4.5 team, then things will again be wide open this year.

Nothing exciting is happening in 4.0 thus far.

145 comments:

  1. Jason is not going to have a 4.5 team this year.

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  2. So are the Deucebags and Sugar Creek going to split or stay combined? If they stay together the roster is going to be too big for quality playing time. In reality, Sugar Creek really doesn't need the depleted Deucebags to compete.

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  3. Joe Warren has some good singles line up. He probably recruited some doubles players too. Good for you Joe.

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  4. So if Chancellor's has James Bui and Hung Nguyen, who has the singles edge between those two teams?

    Is Quack Bui moving to Chancellor's too? Who is this Lan Nguyen guy?

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  5. I would say Warren's singles player are better. Hung is Lan and Quack is probably playing for Lakeside.

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  6. I don't think Hung = Lan if they play doubles together sometimes. Unless its more fishy Chancellor's shit going on.

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  7. if chancellors can recruit q.bui to join j.bui and hung, then everyone else will have to fight for that one spot left for sectionals. the only thing i've noticed is q.bui has joined the moser 5.0 team, but not 4.5 yet.

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  8. Is chancellors doubles strong enough to win 2 out of 3 matches just in case their singles don't come through?

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  9. Chancellors is trying to fly under the radar. They have aquired some new talent Lan and his brother Huy Nguyen to go along with their quality league veterans Jonathan "tight lines" Nguyen, Andy Diep, Khang Quach, Thai Chung, etc. Only thing holding this team back is the weak captaining.

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  10. "tight lines", that's funny, but true. that's as funny as sarosh "that was out" ahmed. anyways, j.bui and hung playing singles is a tough combo against any team, but they need one more to carry the singles load and rotate the other in dubs. as for dubs, all the guys are equally as good, so all three lines are on the same level. however, this leave them vulnerable if they play against a team with singles and doubles studs. how about the other duecebags, like borkop, januzzi, dugas bros, morales bros. if they join the creekbags, then i give the creekbags a slight advantage. borkop vs j.bui would be a great match. actually creekbags vs chancellors would be a great battle.

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  11. It sounds like the ranking are:
    1. CreekBags
    2. Chancellors
    3. ????

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  12. Quality league veterans Nguyen, Diep, Quach and Chung? That's the best laugh I've had in a long time! Maybe if they played in the 4.0 division. Heard through the grapevine that Hung is on the fence about playing for Chancellors or the Creekbags.

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  13. I don't think Borkop and Januzzi are coming back to the Deucebags. They've seemed to have a fall out of some sort with the previous captain Alan Tran.

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  14. without hung on chancellors, chancellors might not even make the playoffs. i'm sure hung will probably sign with them. i guess the biggest mistery is borkop and januzzi. who knows, they might not even join either team. i think they will be a perfect fit to join schwingggs.

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  15. Let's face it Borkop is the star. Januzzi is a roll player. I don't think Januzzi and Rothe get along either. I know Januzzi played for them a few years ago.

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  16. Does Januzzi get along with anyone? Oh yeah, He LOVES himself!

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  17. I think that the JCC team is the favorite right now. Medford,Taylor are both solid 5.0's. They have some good doubles players too. Although I don't like Chad Henegan.

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  18. The Chancellors team hooks, plain and simple.

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  19. We only want Borkop, Januzzi can play for someone else.

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  20. Maybe JCC and Lakeside should form a team. Medford, Taylor, Hess, and Bui as their singles rotation. When those guys aren't in for singles they can play some doubles. This would also increase their doubles quality.

    Can those two captain make that happen. Joe Warren meet Steve Ash. Steve Ash meet Joe Warren.

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  21. that combination medford, taylor, hess, and bui is just plain nasty. it's also a good 5.0 summer team. all these guys can play both singles and doubles. that's an automatic two singles and one doubles win.

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  22. So what's going on with 4.0s. Freeman is having a 4.0 team. Looks like Rios joined a 4.5 team so who will be on Jason's super 4.0 team?

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  23. Lakeside would have won City if they werent missing half their team last summer. Why would they feel the need to merge with anyone?

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  24. it's not just winning city, it's about winning sectionals as well, and you need a deep line-up to do that.

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  25. So far the Chancellor's 4.5 team looks like it got an awful lot of scrubs.

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  26. looks like chancellors is making an early statement with their early registration. scrubs? i wouldn't go that far. james, hung, andy, huy, khang, can play some good tennis. they are beatable, but they are not scrubs and would beat your team 9 out of 10 times

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  27. Ted P. might be the best 4.5 singles player in Houston.

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  28. Ted is going to sit out this year. I predict Freemon and Benzon are taking the year up and gonna make a run for it in 2012.

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  29. Congrad. to Tim Green and David Guy for making the 5.0 finals this weekend.

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  30. If there is no news on Ted he likes to write about himself. No one cares about Ted Phadfdhfdnfndjhfkjemejf. I hope I spelled his last name correct.

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  31. Bezo is gonna come strong with a 4.5 and a 4.0 team . Great Capitan cant wait to see yall LOL

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  32. Why would Green and Guy go all the way to Abilene just to play each other 1 match of singles? They only had 1 match in doubles too. What a JOKE!!

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  33. Congrad to Guy for beating Green in straight sets.

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  34. Congrats to Guy and Green for driving 6.5 hours to play 1 match. Well done boys...

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  35. any other results from the Abilene tournament from Houston players?

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  36. houston area once again won men's 3.5, 4.0, 4.5, 5.0. john patch is 2 for 2 in majors this year, but the coke is next, so dont think he will take houston. guy has a big win over green in 5.0.

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  37. correction, corpus is next, not houston

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  38. Another shocker from Abilene it looks like JD Miles and Greg Schmucker made it to the Finals in 4.5 doubles. Congrats

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  39. Any other Houston players do well in the Abilene tournament?
    What about the Kingwood open tournament this weekend?

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  40. can someone explain how davila lost to muhala 4,1

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  41. yes, but beat him in doubles...

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  42. It's one of those "I wanna play 4.5 again next year" losses. Kind of like his and Sean Lacy's losses last Fall.

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  43. davila is one of those guys who will be a top tier 4.5 guy but wont be able to hang at 5.0. its because he is consistent but thats it. most 4.5 guys dont or cant change their game to beat him but the stronger players have enough variety to take care of him. case in point Antoine. and if you havent figured it out by now, muhala is pretty damn good.

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  44. davila is a 5.0 player in singles. his still is not effective in doubles. ford found another level in his game late in the season and no one was going to beat him.

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  45. Juan and Jorge are very good!! Katy Coaches should be tough in the summer.

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  46. Muhala has to be pretty good to carry his doubles partners on that Katy team. Mostly scrubs and 4.0 bumpups. I wonder if he will stay on for summer, or get recruited to another more competitive team.

    What is the going rate for a free agent?

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  47. muhala's win over davila is definitely a wow factor, but i wouldnt jump on the bandwagon yet. he has loses to rios, who is a 4.0. he had a hard time with armen, who is an above average 4.5. he lost bad to mccool, who is a good 4.5, but would get stomp in 5.0. however, i think he would be a benefit to any team. his doubles record looks more impressing

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  48. He has a doubles win over Whitsett/Carpenter but is a 4.5 self rate!! hhhmmmm

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  49. muhala is definiitely a candidate to play #1 doubles or #2 singles. most of his doubles win is with regent, who is an excellent doubles player, with the ability to play singles as well. i would predict muhala will play on whichever team regent will be on.

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  50. 4.5
    looks like there will not be a merger called creekbags. dugas just registered as captain for duecebags. big bangers have fox and armen on their roster. guerra has just registered to captain gypsies. regent and muhala could end up on that team. still nothing from canes, lakeside, titans, schwings

    5.0
    bobo has branched off from toney to form a new team out of lakeside. it will be a battle to aquire the rest of the 5.0 talents.
    unsigned are:
    evans, taylor, zolas, dibua bros, ford, bharath, guy, mccool, plummer,

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  51. Rumor has it that there will be a 4.5 Hurricanes team this year, but don't know how competitive they will be after losing most of their stars from last year. Having them will give the anons more fun on the blog this year.

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  52. canes will always be competitive. if they have two teams, one of the team will definitely make playoffs. sarosh and puma are the two singles that could keep them competitive, but sarosh's game is still questionable with the weak one hander backhand.

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  53. lakeside 4.5 officially has quack bui on their roster. probably followed by hess.

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  54. Medford will be a bump up by end of season

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  55. we'll see if he can survive against some top 4.5 summer guys

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  56. Word on the street is that Medford's mobility is a fraction of what it used to be after his knee injury. He and Taylor may not be all that special in singles.

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  57. His mobility is so bad that he went 4-0 last year in summer singles.

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  58. Not exactly a Murderer's row of opponents. I think the jury is out.

    Rank them:

    H. Nguyen/J. Bui
    P. Taylor/G. Medford
    J. Kudrick/D. McMullan
    E. Hess/Q. Bui


    I put Taylor and Medford at number 3 or 4.

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  59. i put nguyen/bui at 4 and other 3 are all 1-1 splits on any given day.

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  60. how about Connell / Wright

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  61. connell/wright are a doubles team. they dominated the line #1 doubles and posted an undefeated season. they are still considered the top rank doubles duo

    norkus/weaver had the same undefeated season, and i would rank them #2

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  62. Rank one J. Kudrick (5.5) and D. McMullan (4.5)

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  63. I think Swing is playing 5.0 now. Rothe probably realize he doesn't have the roster to compete at 4.5 anymore and he’s probably picked up Neil C., which is ranked 5.0. If Neil is the only new recruit they might be in trouble since he is only 1 line. Also, Sugar Creek looks like they are playing 5.0 too. I wonder who they have?

    Do you think Lakeside 4.5 will be competitive this season? Didn’t they lose some players on their roster?

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  64. I would rank them as follow. 3 and 4 can be swapped too.

    1. P. Taylor/G. Medford
    2. J. Kudrick/D. McMullan
    3. E. Hess/Q. Bui
    4. H. Nguyen/J. Bui

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  65. Don't forget Puma and Sarosh. If they are included in the mix I would put them at 5.

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  66. jcc- taylor/medford is not enough. they will probably win one singles, but the doubles are not strong enough to take two lines.
    copperfield- kudrick is a superstar, but dont think he'll play all the matches, which leaves the entire team vulnerable for an upset. mcmullan is playing great tennis, but he'll be outmatched.
    lakeside- hess/bui can allow lakeside to swap the singles line. that's almost a guaranteed two wins, and connell/wright to take the 3rd win. bui always has issues with the heat
    chancellors- this reminds me of last years duecebags, but i think they are much weaker. duecebags had borkop who is slightly better then james in both singles and doubles. they also had the dugas and morales brothers, and the infamous jannuzzi.
    canes- puma will carry the singles load, but sarosh will lose the other, so they have to rely on the doubles

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  67. great analysis. so far it sounds like lakeside is the stronger team with 3 lines wins, but they will need some additional players since they lost zachary and vu. the next team in line sounds like chancellors or canes depending who else they pick up.

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  68. the duecebag team is slowly developing. does anyone know why half of the duecebags split to chancellors? right now, chancellors are much stronger then duecebags with, hung, james, and huy in the line up. it will be an exciting season if the two teams are in the same division.

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  69. Sounds like a lot of action on the 5.0 league front, what is latest?

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  70. Has Troy Gor signed up with anyone yet? I like that kids game.

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  71. Any noticables on the deucebags now that the roster is filling in?

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  72. what's going on??? goldberg is a duecebag. it's going to be a long summer

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  73. looks like goldberg will be playing line #1 singles for duecebags

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  74. USTA League Start Dates:
    Evening Leagues:

    Ladies' Tuesday evening: April 19

    Men's Thursday evening: April 21

    Deadline to have 8 players signed up: March 25th.

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  75. deadline for the coke is this sunday, 3rd

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  76. looks like freeman and the canes are registering.

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  77. It looks like summer league participation is up this year, or am I wrong? So far, this is what I can see on Tennis Link that have registered.

    4.0 - 35 teams with 281 players
    4.5 - 25 teams with 202 players
    5.0 - 7 teams with 25 players

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  78. borkop sold his soul to freeman.

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  79. Can Borkop hang with Medford Taylor?

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  80. Could someone please tell me how do I get in touch with the Houston USTA team captains for men 3.5 league.
    I have tried to contact the HTA league coordinator but she is slower responder and sound likes she not very interesting helping out.
    Website or other contact info will be good.

    Thanks!

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  81. can borkop hang with medford/taylor? no only can he hang, he can beat them. jcc will not make city playoffs. PERIOD

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  82. still waiting for canes to pick up sarosh and puma. this will complete their singles line up. should be interesting how sarosh will handle playing the #4 singles position, behind borkop, puma, and jannuzzi

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  83. I would say Borkop is on the same level with Medford/Taylor. Copperfield is looking very strong as well

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  84. No one is beating John Kudrick. He is a lock in singles! Copperfield up 1-0 in every match that he's in the line up.

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  85. You all are overlooking one of the Canes players, Greg Jones. He played for Texas Tech. No idea how he got a 4.5 rating.

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  86. Rankings for 4.5 singles.

    1. John Kudrick
    2. Greg Medford
    3. Ed Hess
    4. Peter Borkop
    5. Ted Phoummarath
    6. James Bui
    7. Hung Nguyen
    8. Huy Nguyen

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  87. Whoever made that list is uninformed if he left Greg Jones completely out.

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  88. A kid that played at Tech in 2007 is not going to be playing 4.5 league. Either you have the wrong Greg Jones or he will be DQd. No sense in worrying about him or including him in this list

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  89. here's a better singles list according to skill level. however, certain players from different levels can win or lose, when conditioning, weather, or just certain games will bet certain games. sometimes some players or more prepared then the other.

    level 1. kudrick, hess
    level 2. borkop, puma, james, quack, medford, taylor, jones, cooper
    level 3. hung, huy, sarosh, simon, hale, foster, jannuzzi, fox, t.dugas, allahverdian, lacy, alzate, kent, lindloff, sandblom

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  90. Kudrick is good, not sure why he is motivated to play 4.5. QUack Bui has a pretty solid record as well to not mention in any listing of singles players. Medford will beat Borkop in straight sets.

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  91. so the singles ranking list left out Pete Taylor and Greg Jones. that list is dead wrong

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  92. medford would beat borkop in straights? maybe or maybe not. medford has not played any top singles player, and no proven record. i would pick borkop 6-3, 6-3. taylor and jones have not posted any current singles record. word the streets that they are outstanding players, but they have not posted any current singles record. maybe the jcc guys are over-rating their own players, because they are comparing them with the rest of the jcc team who went 3-5 last summer. lately jcc has been trying to promote rios, taylor, medford as top tier players, but they will be humbled when the have another losing season

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  93. New revised singles list.

    Kudrick
    Medford
    Hess
    Borkop
    Phoummarath
    Taylor
    Bui
    Nguyen (*2)

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  94. is that you medford?

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  95. Any list without Jones is ludicrous. I thought we had a more educated, savvy league in Houston, but I guess not.

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  96. I'm sure the next post will be that Greg Jones was left out of that list. Maybe because he hasn't played singles and will not be playing singles. That should clear things up. He is a top notch doubles player though.

    Anyone wanna rank top doubles teams besides
    Wright/Connell and Norkus/Weaver ?

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  97. For the record it IS the same Greg P Jones who played for Texas Tech.

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  98. regardless of rating, anyone who is under 35 yrs old, played strong D1 or D2 college tennis and is not on their own moving up and playing 5.0 is a loser.

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  99. He was the waterboy on that Tech team. Don't over rate him.

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  100. Played on nationally ranked Texas Tech team (#29). He played, he's young, should be a 6.0

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/text/sports/m-tennis/auto_pdf/2006FallResults.pdf

    http://lubbockonline.com/stories/022807/col_022807011.shtml

    http://www.texastech.com/sports/m-tennis/mtt/jones_greg00.html

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  101. Wow, impressive links. NOT.

    He played two whole matches, and like 8 guys on the team played more in Fall 2006. Obviously he was a benchwarmer. The dude who called him a water boy was on target.

    He snuck into the doubles lineup against ACU (they are not D1 and are basically a walkover for Tech where they could afford to put Jones in lineup).

    The dude will lose matches in league. He struggled in TriLevel even with a great partner.

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  102. ACU may be a walkover for Tech but even according to the USTA profiling if he were on the ACU team, even as a nationally ranked D2 team he would have to self-rate as a 5.5. No one is disputing that he wasn't one of the stars for TT but he is was below his level playing 4.5.

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  103. It doesn't matter. He has a computer rating. Can't touch him...

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  104. I won't argue that point. But he does have a legitimate rating somehow. Any predictions on a score if he played Kudrick?

    If you don't think Benzon will use him in singles if he needs him, your crazy.

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  105. It's Benzon who is writing all this stuff about Jones because he doesn't want him DQed. Let the other captains protest him, just like how Benzon would protest other players.

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  106. You can't protest a C player and a C player can't get DQd. If Benzon is downplaying him it's not so that he doesn't get protested it's so that other teams overlook him in the lineup.

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  107. Jones entered league play Sept 07 legitimately. These are his match results for 3 matches that got him his 4.5 rating. What I don't get is I thought Fall results don't apply to your YER.

    9/20/2007 lost to ballesteros / deluca 3,3
    9/27/2007 def Ira Jamshidi / Henry Li 4,2
    10/11/2007 def ballesteros / deluca 0,2

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  108. Even more interesting is what he did last year.

    3/4/2010 Greg P. Jones / Arun Nanjappa
    def Phong Regent / Bharath Gururaj
    6-2, 6-1

    3/11/2010 Neil N. Carpenter / Monty R. Lindloff def Greg P. Jones / Allen L. Teague
    7-5, 6-4

    4/1/2010 Arun Nanjappa / Greg P. Jones
    def Peter Borkop / Khang N. Quach
    6-2, 6-2

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  109. so he entered in Sept of 07, "legitimately" as a 5.5??? because that is what he should have originally self rated at.

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  110. Hard to tell how he originally self-rated but he should hav self rated 6.0 since TT was a top 75 D1 school when he played for them.

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  111. Another example of captains / players not being vigilant about new players entering the league and how it bites you in the butt if you don't. Had he actually legitimately self-rated at the time chances are he would not have been downgraded to a 4.5 after 1 season.

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  112. Gotta love league tennis. Keep the anonymous post coming. League tennis is just getting good. Any 4.0 news or is all the talk just in 4.5?

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  113. teams that need both quality line #1,#2 players if they want to be competitive.

    WSTC-Phoenix
    JCC-Dudes
    Sweetwater
    MPTC-Jedi Knights
    CR Nothlake
    MPTC-Ball Busters
    Sienna-Top Spinners
    WSTC-No Way Out
    Lost Forest-Fires
    Taylor HS-Gypsies
    Sugar Creek-Titans 4.5
    LLTC-Gossip Men
    LLTC-Clambakes


    Teams and single's strength.

    Chancellors-Ace-Kings
    #1 James P. Bui, Hung P. Nguyen
    #2 Huy Nguyen


    JCC-Blast
    #1 Pete Taylor, Greg B. Medford
    #2 Pete Rios


    LCC-Men 4.5
    #1 Edwin John Hess, Quack Bui
    #2 Need one


    Lakeside Estates
    #1 Need one
    #2 Jose Luis Munoz Orozco, Thomas Lagarde


    LLTC-Katy Coaches
    #1 Ryan A. Cooper
    #2 Need one


    LLTC-Deucebags
    #1 Need one
    #2 Trey Everett Dugas, Miguel A. Morales


    MPTC-Big Bangers
    #1 Bobby Fox
    #2 Armen Allahverdian


    LLTC-Hurricanes
    #1 Peter Borkop, Ted T. Phoummarath
    #2 Scott A. Foster, Ward P. Jannuzzi


    WSTC-Black Sheep
    #1 Need one
    #2 Sean Lacy, Humberto Alzate, Hal D. Hale


    Copperfield-Lobsters
    #1 John M. Kudrick
    #2 David W. Kent


    MPTC-Ssshhhwings
    #1 Need one
    #2 Monty R. Lindloff


    GTAC-4.5
    #1 Need one
    #2 Chris Sandblom

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  114. What I don't understand about Greg Jones is this:

    He has a 2009 computer rating of 5.5, then his 2010 results were as posted by 2:15, and now he is computer rated 4.5. 5.0 I can understand, but 4.5, what formula was used to get that result? He certainly is an outlier, just like Kudrick, but that just makes the rest of us 4.5 bump ups pissed.

    Where is the transparancy and logic behind the rating system? And don't tell me Jones and Kudrick tanked to get their new ratings, because their results don't support that conclusion.

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  115. I agree. He beat Bharath who was a standout 4.5 last year. He beat Borkup who is a standout 4.5 this year. No one is saying he tanked matches. It's clear. Why would he drop 2 levels based on those results.

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  116. bharath should have been rated 5.5, because of his ITF status playing for India. Borkop should be 5.0. however, jone's wins are not singles and he had nanjappa as a partner. it's crazy how jones and kudrick were able to get a 4.5 rating without tanking.

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  117. Do you guys just randomly make up your own Self-Rate Guidelines??? If Bharath really did play ITF and if Jones played on a Top 75 D1 school, they should both have self-rated 6.0. NOT 5.5

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  118. Yes, Red/Freeman stop making up your own rating system.

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  119. I hear Chad Henegan got booted from JCC team? That guy would be good addition to anyone's doubles line up. Who has the best doubles teams on their roster so far? We know about Connell/Wright and Norkus/Weaver but any other stand out teams???

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  120. Who's Huffman and Andrea's playing for since they don't like Freeman? Are they playing for the Ducebags?

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  121. I thought Henegan was a 4.0 guy and a total head case? Who would want him? Why did he get booted from JCC?

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  122. Did anybody notice that Tommy Ristau stole basically the only good guy from that other West Side team: Hal Hale? Ristau is unbelievable.

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  123. Henegan is trying to promote himself onto a team. No one wants him on their 4.5 team. He's not good enough.

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  124. Taking one guy doesn't make that team worst because they were already bad. So no biggy.

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  125. if henegan's a head case, he should be perfect for the titans

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  126. What happened to the creek bags merger? They were supposed to be the team? Now duecebags look like what is left from tran loyalist. Why did everyone jump ship?

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  127. Way to many players and not enough room to make a summer creekbag team work.

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  128. I heard this clown defaulted a player because he wasn't registered for HTA a few weeks ago, which changed the outcome of the match. If you can't beat them, default them!

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  129. I Guess bags will not be needing Creek players. They are better than creeks handsdown. Thats what I heard from one of their main players

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  130. the dbags and titans do not have any sold singles players. their doubles are not dominate. copperfield and chancellors will replace them in the city playoffs.

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  131. Simon Jim is a really good singles player and should have been included in the elite singles players. He can compete with anyone in 4.5.

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  132. simon jim is NOT an elite 4.5 player. he's all show, but some of his shots make you want to say "wowwww". however, hitting hard, flexing your muscles, and sporting a justin bieber haircut does not win matches. i think he rather lose pretty then win ugly.

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  133. Who is Simon Jim? Lets start there.

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  134. I'm looking for a 4.5 team to join for the summer. I live in the Spring area and work around 290 and the Beltway. Any recommendations for which team to go after or any contact info for anyone looking for players?

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  135. Simon is a young kid who played for Rice I think. But I agree. He's a tier-1 4.5 but definitely not a sandbagger or lock at any singles lines. I'd put him in the same category as Rios (for style and player mentality) although he's got more game than Pete.

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  136. In case no one has noticed but CField is quietly building a nice 4.5 team. They'll be tough to beat assuming Kudrick plays. Kudrick, Kent, Kelly, McMullin

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  137. simon jim is does not play for rice. you got someone mixed up.

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  138. Has anyone had any luck getting Davis Cup tix?

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  139. They wont' go on sale for USTA member until April 5 according to the email spam.

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  140. Simon's brother Sydney played for Rice. Simon is a teaching Pro at Sugarcreek country club. He will definitely be amongst the top tier singles players.

    As for Copperfield, they will be tough. They'll start up 1-0 with Kudrick in the line up for sure. They will have the depth to match up with many teams.

    Does anyone know when the 4.5 divisions will be posted on tennis link?

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  141. Hey Hacker,

    The blog comments are FUBAR for me. I only see the first 70 or so. Maybe it's time for a new topic that we can all bitch about.

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  142. Westside has good mens teams, and the guys are always very friendly. The women teams from Westside are addicts, thats all they do all day long. Don't play against them in mixed - they will cheat you blind.

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