Sunday, November 28, 2010

'Twas The Night Before Ratings...

Yes, ratings are scheduled to be released tomorrow. There's been no indication that the USTA is planning a dramatic ratings shift again this year, but people are closely watching the 4.5 division to see if much of its membership is pushed up to 5.0.

If the USTA decides not to make further adjustments this year, expect to see many local 5.0 players moved back down next year. The quality of play locally in 4.5 was down a notch last year, but next year could see a deep 4.5 talent pool in Houston, making for an exciting season.

Feel free to speculate on bumpups and bumpdowns...we'll keep an eye out for official announcemnt of the new ratings.

140 comments:

  1. Everyone who is serious about Summer League cares. The losers don't.

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  2. Personally, I'd like to see the 4.5s get hit as hard as the 3.5s and 4.0s were last year. Then the transition towards moving repeat champions out of a certain level would be complete. There were a lot of new faces at sectionals this year in 3.5 and 4.0, but the same old ones at 4.5. Also, the gap between the upper-level 4.5s and the lower-level guys is as big as the Grand Canyon. Something's gotta give.

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  3. It will be interesting to see who gets moved back down from 4.5 to 4.0.

    The 4.5 Lost Forest team as a whole was mentioned previously.

    Chris Towle might be a candidate to move back down his win/loss is about 40% in 4.5.

    Perry Sontag and the majority of the Freeman 4.0's from 2009 stays a 4.5.

    Any other guesses?

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  4. Just announced that the year end ratings will be completed by 6 pm today

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  5. Actually, they'll be finished by 5pm CST

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  6. Looks like some ratings are trickling in.

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  7. Yes, I checked mine this AM and it was still the 2009 EOY rating with a B.

    Now the date is gone and letter is changed to C.

    Will wait and see how day progresses.

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  8. How do you check Chris?

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  9. http://tinyurl.com/24h7rfb

    Enter you USTA number or other search string.

    I had mine open this AM and refreshed it here a minute ago and date was gone and B -> C.

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  10. go on to Tennis Link and on the right hand side click on Find a rating...input your USTA number and the information will show. However, I just downloaded all the information for Houston and there are no 12/31/2010 ratings yet. From what I understand, this information is manually inputed so will take several hours to complete

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  11. go to tennis link, then click find a rating on the right. then search by name or USTA #

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  12. For the love of god I hope that USTA does not do this by hand as these are the 2010 ratings, not the 1980 end of year ratings.

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  13. ratings are complete. You may go online now. I will send Chris the report to download

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  14. These ratings are ridiculous. I basically haven't touched a racket since 2008, am hobbling around basically on one leg, got destroyed in my only two matches against not top-flight competition and still came back with a 4.5 (my appeal was granted).

    I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but I feel like I was targeted, maybe because I run this blog or have a bad reputation.

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  15. Did Benzon get bumped up? If they were going to fuck with anyone it would be him.

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  16. yea benzon got bumped

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  17. The only players that got bumped from 4.5 to 4.0 were players that tanked,
    1. Greg Dwyer
    2. Danny Vu
    Yes, you too Htown.
    Do not try to deny it all three of these players tanked.
    One 5.0 bumped down was John Kudrick.
    Don't even deny it all three of you threw matches on purpose.
    Proof is that even after they tanked Htown and Dwyer had to appeal their rating the first hour the ratings came out. That tells me your goal was to get back down to 4.0s.
    Tell me I am wrong and your goal was not to get down to 4.0s.

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  18. 4.5 bump ups

    Red
    David Guy
    Odion
    Plummer
    Mccool

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  19. No, I didn't tank. I just didn't play or practice and frankly I'm not a very good tennis player to begin with even when I'm healthy and sharp at this point in my life.

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  20. Fall results were apparently not included in the ratings despite what we were told..???

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  21. Can someone please post a link to the new rakings list. Checking name by name is slow as hell right now.....

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  22. Lance, please post the report.

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  23. Yes or No was your goal to get back to 4.0s?

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  24. I sent the report to Chris to post. I don't know how to post it on here

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  25. I certainly wanted to be a 4.0 when the ratings came out. I am not good enough to compete at 4.5 and probably won't be above average at 4.0.

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  26. Sorry, I did not realize the whole thing came down to me!

    Link is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/MMX-EOY-Ratings

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  27. From Lance's data, a breakdown of the ratings:

    select rating, count(*) from ratings where gender='M' group by rating order by rating asc

    rating (No column name)
    0 67
    2.5 1
    3 23
    3.5 281
    4 756
    4.5 482
    5 53
    5.5 4

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  28. There are a lot of names missing on the spreadsheet link
    http://tinyurl.com/MMX-EOY-Ratings?????

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  29. Lance just sent me a new one. Same URL is valid.

    Look at it now.

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  30. also, please note that I downloaded the Houston area. If someone doesn't have a Houston area on their profile, then it won't show up.

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  31. Next poll
    Do you believe HTown tried his best to not get bumped back to 4.0s?

    or
    biggest tanker in 2010
    1. Greg Dwyer
    2. Danny Vu
    3. Sam Huynh (from Dallas blog)
    or
    biggest impact player for 2011
    John Kudrick playing 4.5s
    Danny Vu playing 4.0s

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  32. How about "most successful tanker"?

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  33. Successful tanker seems to put a positive spin on tanking.

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  34. Who would be on a 4.5 dream team?

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  35. What dream team. Freeman tried it this year in NOHO and got spanked at Sectionals.

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  36. It appears the USTA is still in "adjustment" mode. Just looking at the numbers for the Houston area, I see:

    4.5: 27 bumped up to 5.0, 30 bumped down to 4.0
    4.0: 117 bumped up to 4.5, 21 bumped down to 3.5
    3.5: 302 bumped up to 4.0, 10 bumped down to 3.0

    As last year, 4.5 virtually untouched, but huge movements upward in the other levels. Wow.

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  37. The USTA makes no sense..#9 moves up but #7 and #11 stay put.

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  38. Someone should protest Sam Huynh. How can you appeal when your a benchmark? Freeman, get on the case.

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  39. 4.5 will be rediculous next year. Expect many blow-out matches.

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  40. Further to USTA's "adjustment" mode. Across Texas it's the same story. I haven't eliminated the duplicates yet, but I see:

    4.5: 131 bumped up to 5.0, 145 down to 4.0
    4.0: 567 bumped up to 4.5, 144 down to 3.5
    3.5: 1165 bumped up to 4.0, 86 down to 3.0

    If you think 4.0 league was weak in 2010, wait til 2011. To my mind the USTA has missed two golden opportunities to spread the talent out among four levels (by some wholesale movement from 4.5 to 5.0) rather than squashing them into three. Maybe they have a three-year plan...

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  41. So who are the studs now? Last year was Ellingsen and Knutson for 4.0. This year Vu and Dwyer for 4.0, Kudrick for 4.5

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  42. Kudrick is not the best 4.5. Any guesses?

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  43. Kudrick used to be a 5.5. Definitely will be a Top 4.5. Borkop is amongst the better players as well.

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  44. Numbers, how do these numbers compare to 2009?

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  45. Can any 5.0(tournament)bump up compete with Tim Green and Omon this year????

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  46. Numbers, you got it right at 7:17 am. The USTA never intended on the corrections to all be made in 1 year. I imagine it is a 3-5 year plan to proliferate the levels and even them out. Things actually look almost right. Of course there will always be a few exceptions (such as Kudrick, Vu, Dwyer), but this board would be blazing if it were not right.

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  47. Vu a 4.0? That is crap. I was once a very solid 4.5 and Vu spanked me lopsided straights every time we played. I hoped to get bumped down as I have had 4 straights years of losing records but I am still stuck at 4.5. Enjoy yourself Vu.

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  48. 9:47, I can only easily compare the numbers for Houston men, but that's probably what interests you and the numbers should be similar for other areas and for women.

    At YE09, 3% of Houston 4.5s moved up and 3% moved down, 11% of 4.0s moved up and 1% moved down, and 19% of 3.5s moved up and 0% down.

    This year it's 1% up and 1% down for 4.5, 6% up and 1% down for 4.0s, and 7% up and 0% down for 3.5s.

    Corrections definitely smaller this year (as one might hope), by about half, but still material.

    I really think they need to more fully populate the 5.0 level, with only about 1% of all players it's too small to be worth having a level and a National Championship all their own.

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  49. I get the feeling Houston is being targeted with bumpups like in 4.5. Then we are left with weak teams that can't compete at Sectionals.

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  50. Nope just an indication of the dominance Houston has had in the last 5-6 years.

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  51. The funny thing about Dwyer and Vu losing their matches on purpose is that their opponents who were 4.0s got bumped to 4.5s. Their opponents have been playing 4.0s for years but because of Dwyer and Vu tanked it caused their opponents to get bumped up. So basically their opponents got screwed because they never even knew that Dwyer and Vu were tanking.
    Not only do the tankers benifit but it screws their opponents ranking.

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  52. Beside Towle, Vu, and Dwyer who are the other 4.5 bump downs?

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  53. There is an interesting ongoing discussion on the Dallas blog about how a captain was able to successfully appeal 7 or more of his year-end benchmarked players. Worth keeping tab on it to see the results of these appeal.

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  54. Just checked the Dallas Blog and it seems alot of the players that won their appeals might be reversed. There was some type of scandal where all the players on one team won their appeals. The USTA is now investigating and has already reversed Sam Huynh's appeal.
    I don't think anything can be done about Vu and Dwyer since they tanked but they did not hack into the system.
    Perhaps they could do the honorable thing and apologize for tanking and promise to play 4.5s.

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  55. Which player that Dwyer and Vu played is 4.0? At least 3 of them have been 4.5 the last few years I think. Mohan Jacob has been 4.5 for ever with the ugliest strokes in the city.

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  56. Lawerance Wedekind, Just check the rating for the Dallas players that had won their appeals most of them have been reversed. Apparently either a USTA official originally granted the appeal or the computers have been hacked.

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  57. I'm flabbergasted at the credit I'm getting here. In case people haven't noticed, I've been playing 4.0 for a few years now and have been benched in my team's big matches several times. I hardly think that qualifies me for "ringer" status. I haven't played well since screwing up my knee training for a marathon many years ago.

    Appreciate the props though.

    Most of the criticism seems to be coming from out of town, interestingly enough.

    NumbersGuy said there were 30 bumpdowns from 4.5 to 4.0 in Houston, I believe.

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  58. The talent disparity at 4.5 is going to be truly staggering next year. I know four current 4.5s at my club, call them A, B, C, and D.

    Player A beats Player B 6-2,6-2
    Player B beats Player C 6-3,6-3
    Player C beats Player D 6-1,6-1

    Btw, player D would be lucky to get more than 2-3 points off of player A in a match. The USTA has basically crammed 3 levels of players into 1 level. Crazy.

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  59. - copperfield will be back in the playoffs with kudrick.
    - duecebags will have j.bui, nguyen, borkop
    - lakeside still has hess and q.bui
    - titans are just a memory with ford bumped up
    - hurricanes will be competitive, but maybe one team will make playoffs. puma returns to 4.5
    - blacksheep needs major help with davila bumped up

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  60. How about those team's doubles? Are they still good?

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  61. Houston will have a down year in 4.5. Its possible to put together a team that could compete at sectionals but I don't see it happening as the talent will be spread out among various average teams. It should make for a fun Houston league.

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  62. Lots of angst on the Dallas blog about a captain who is alleged to have bribed or hacked his way into getting several of his YE10 Benchmark bump-ups appealed down, which of course the system is not supposed to allow. USTA claims a computer glitch, and has since corrected those 4.0A ratings back to 4.5B. Their blog is all up in arms, especially since it's a "dirty" captain (Somabut) that they'd just as soon see behind bars as on a tennis court.

    Turns out what the Dallas blog doesn't know, is that there's evidence to support the USTA's claim. I downloaded all of Texas' ratings on the 29th, and see a total of 38 YE10 A's, including the 8 Somabut players who have since been corrected. That list includes 4 other players who have since been corrected, 1 from NETX, 2 from San Antonio, and a woman from Dallas who appears to be unassociated with Somabut. So unless the conspiracy is massive and widespread, it appears that the USTA while a bit bumbling is not corrupt (at least not in this matter).

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  63. Although the Dallas blog has went nuts, it is a non-issue and simply reflects the utter stupidity of 1 or 2 Somabut-haters. It's funny how all it takes is one moron like Klamecki to spread rumors and throw mud with reckless disregard for the truth to turn a non-issue to an issue. The dumbass even emailed the national office claiming Somabut was dishonest...what a classless asshole.

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  64. Hey -- quit playing around on the internet during your grammar class. You need to listen to the instructor. =)

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  65. How do you locate your exact NTRP (e.g. 4.38, 4.02, etc.)?

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  66. You can't. The USTA doesn't make it available, on the theory that SOME people might misuse the information. Pretty good theory, actually.

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  67. Hey! If you don't like your rating, just ask Cheryl to change match scores from last season. She made that an option this summer.

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  68. Numbers Guy is so full of it. It is probably Somabut himself trying to clear his name. I know multiple players and captains that appealed right away that morning and none of them were granted. If there was a so called window they would have been approved.

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  69. The conspiracy theorists are alive and well. Losers love to complain 'cause they can't play.

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  70. anyone would complain if one team was granted 9 appeals. nothing to do with being a loser.

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  71. Bunch of damn liars!

    December 1, 2010

    Dear Members,

    The 2010 year-end ratings are now published on TennisLink.

    At the beginning of this season, I sent an email saying that the Fall league results will count toward ratings. I realized today, as I was looking at my own rating, that there was a problem. A mistake was made many months ago when the leagues were set up in TennisLink. This error caused the Fall league results to be excluded from NTRP calculations. We have spoken with the Texas Section, and unfortunately, there is no way to correct this.

    This error will have different implications for different people. Some of you will be excited and others, like me, will be disappointed. I feel your pain, as I too, was directly impacted by this mistake.

    I have personally corrected the error in TennisLink for the upcoming Spring season.

    The HTA strives for excellence, but from time to time, human error occurs. We ask for your understanding and forgiveness when mistakes happen. You can have confidence knowing that I, as league coordinator, will always be forthcoming and accountable to our membership.

    Thank you for your continued efforts to improve this organization. We value each one of you.

    My best,
    Catherine Blevins
    League Coordinator
    htaleagues@houstontennis.org
    281-889-1050

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  72. 2:34, they still would have had to be within the appeal range, whatever that originally was (currently 0.05 above if you're under age 60, 0.10 if you're older), so it's likely they weren't. You don't know me too well I guess, I'm a Houston player and not a Dallas captain. But believe what you want.

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  73. Hey - at least HTA fesses up and says they made a mistake.

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  74. OK Chris, so who fouled up? Catherine started after the leagues began, right? Or did I miss that in the message?

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  75. Not really interested in who made the mistake but that as an organization they were able to admit a fault.

    Who specifically did it is inconsequential at this point.

    My first email from her as league coordinator was 30-July, but I am not sure who setup the fall league as calendar year 2011 or who claimed that fall league does count towards your end of year rating for 2010.

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  76. Excellence without accountability? Not sure that I have seen that work.

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  77. Funny thing is if you look back that was one of the reasons there was confusion over whether or not the Fall results counted because the league was listed for 2011. Guess the HTA needs to start looking at the blog.

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  78. Why is it up to HTA's league coordinator to ensure that your Fall results count towards your year end rating?? That should just be an automatic thing the computer does from Tennis Link. Hence the skepticism as to the integrity of the system and what happened in Dallas.

    As evident by Towles' comments at 10:37 a.m. and 10:43 a.m., the system was updated with the rating, but had no year end date associated with it. This allowed whoever was on the system at that time to go in and Appeal, and have it granted because it looked back indefinitely on that players record, not just the past season in question.

    Dallas isn't up in arms because of the glitch. The community just questions the integrity of the captain. This captain clearly knows that post season play (Championship play) results in a Benchmark rating, and that Benchmark ratins are unappealable. So the question is, if he knew this, why did he spend his time entering appeals for his entire roster that got bumped up and had benchmark ratings??? Seems odd to me. Furthermore, you guys saw how slow the system took to pull up any information on the site. Can you imagine he had the patience and took the time to do this for 8 players??

    This captain has been involved with the USTA for 10 years. He obviously knew there is a window of opportunity the morning ratings come out. Tennis Link even said that ratings were to be delayed until 6pm EST, yet he had his entire roster's USTA #s in hand and ready to make appeals???

    The sad thing is, the USTA simply acknowledge the computer error. They would not address the integrity of the captain as to how he could pull this off for 8 players when the system was overloaded, or to his integrity and intent given all of these players had Benchmark ratings.

    Just smells fishy all over the place.

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  79. Klamecki quit posting on the Houston blog.

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  80. 9:00 PM,

    Congratulations!!! You have the distinct honor of posting the stupidest comment this blog has ever seen (and believe me, that is quite an accomplishment considering the amount total bullshit that gets posted here).

    Why in the hell would anyone at the Texas or National USTA "address the integrity of the captain" for ANY reason, much less for appealing players once he sees the ratings have started coming out?

    I hope all your blathering was worth it because I have a feeling you are about to find out exactly how much power and control certain folks actually have. Good luck.

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  81. We don't give a shit about Dallas tennis.

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  82. There was a period of time when it was easy to protest players if you noticed that ratings came out right away. I protested all of my players so it was definitely possible.

    Signed,

    Losing captain who's NOT bitching about conspiracies and grassy knolls.

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  83. Why are the Dallas people in our blog?

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  84. I don't understand why the Houston Fall League error can't be corrected. Perhaps Todd Reed can shed some light on this. I assume he reads this blog. If he doesn't, then he's obviously not doing a good job and not paying attention to his customers. We pay your salary, get this shit fixed.

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  85. Probably because they'd have to rerun the entire program which takes hours.

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  86. To bad tankers. Guess you will have another year of tanking to do to get bumped down, so enjoy 2011.

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  87. Who cares if it takes hours. Let the computers chug away for hours.

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  88. Or those that care, HTA Fall men's 4.5 playoffs is tonight at Lakeside vs. Katy Gypsies. If Lakeside can bring all of their players, then they should win, but it will be close.

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  89. If you weren't losing on purpose, does it really matter if fall counts or not? Not sure why people tank in league...it's not like anyone gets paid for this.

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  90. fall and spring league is not the grand prize. the summer league is the big kahunas

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  91. I find it amusing that all the tankers did not get rewarded. Now they want to complain that their tanking did not count. \\

    Get over it loser.

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  92. Name names, smart guy. I didn't see any tanking in fall.

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  93. That HTA lady was obviously tanking during the fall.

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  94. 12-02-10 1052am is one obvious tanker. Why else does he want the fall season to count.

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  95. I will never understand how USTA rates players. I know someone who played on three 3.5 teams this summer, lost only two matches (of which one was at sectionals), got a mid-year bump up to 4.0, but still rated 3.5 at year end. And yet another player I know was rated 3.0, played on a 3.5 team this summer. Didn't just lose, but got hammered every match and still got bumped up to 3.5 at year end. Explain that.

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  96. http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/USTA_Import/dps/usta_master/sitecore_usta/USTA/Document%20Assets/Leagues_and_Tournaments/Leagues/How%20Dyanmic%20Ratings%20are%20Calculated%20for%20a%20Specific%20Match.pdf

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  97. so how is matches w/ player/partners that have different ratings adjusted or evaluated?

    and BTW, I agree, the only players that didn't see tanking in the fall season, didn't play.

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  98. Give us some names dude. Throw someone under the bus! Work is slow on Fridays!

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  99. Crickets.

    I love how these scrubs love to make tanking accusations to cover up their putrid tennis skills.

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  100. Ok I am fucking pissed off...now I am a 5.0 since fall doesn't count and seems to be a pretty fair assessment of my play in 4.5....11-5 I am not a tanker...but now I am stuck am stuck at 5.0 so I can't even participate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is bullshit!!!!The 5.0 matches don't even occur!!!!RIght Bobo? TeAgue?

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  101. HTA sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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  102. Create your own team asshole

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  103. looks like Sienna plays MPTC Masters in the other 4.5 singles playoffs. MPTC has the better team for sure. SHould be Katy and MPTC in the finals, but Sienna really breezed through their division.

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  104. Looks like Catherine has given up already:

    A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

    htaleagues@houstontennis.org
    mailbox is full: retry timeout exceeded

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  105. guy's it is the holidays. she simply could be on vacation. also even if she did "give up", seriously every year at this time, there is an unbelieveable amount of whining about ratings.

    No "system" is perfect (see BCS). There has never been or will ever be a season, that despite the algorithms, that some people will get mis-rated by the computer.

    Seriously, last year Odion was a 4.5 and he could easily compete and beat guys in the 5.0. This year Kudrick looks like that guy.

    4.0 was Knutson and Alex Ellingsen. They could and have beaten many of the 4.5 playing. Towle, Dwyer, Vu will be the same this year. Although no offense to Dwyer and Towle, they are more of 4.2. They have quirky games that will beat 90% of 4.0 but doesn't work in 4.5. Vu's style is tough regardless unless he has suddenly lost his ability to run.

    Hell 2009 was stacked with 4.0 and 4.5 that continued to win at the next level.

    4.0's in 2009 that were a weapon in 4.5 in 2010: Ricardo Martinez, Roberto Narajas, Scott Foster, Bethuel Gabriel, Sebastien Chambert

    4.5's in 2009 that were solid 5.0s: Omon, Matt, Red (yes he was effective)

    so by all means ease up on Catherine. She didn't make the rating system, she just happens to be who we complain to.

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  106. Umm, once again I did not get bumped down. But thanks for the kick in the nutz.

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  107. anyone who picks up vu at 4.0 will get an automatic win. he's more talented then all of freeman's ex 4.0 players from previous season. he's got the ability to win 90% of 4.5 matches.

    kudrick at 4.5? wow, christmas came early for copperfield

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  108. I can't imagine that Kudrick is going to be an active league player anyways vs. an Odion.

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  109. Copperfield is an immediate threat with him on the roster.

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  110. Copperfield is up 1-0 against anyone once summer league starts. Maybe a Borkop can give him a match if playing well.

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  111. Not enough talent for Red and Jason to make a run at Nationals this year. Give it up y'all. Wait until next year.

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  112. Can any team in Houston make a run at Nationals? I'm sure the only guarantee is Betsie's team.

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  113. Guess that's the advantage of taking off a year. You have a year to regroup and hope that some of your players get rated back down. Of course, it seems it will get harder to do that now. Betsie always said part of the reason she didn't do a team every year is because there wasn't enough talent at women's 4.5 to win back to back.

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  114. I don't know. I was just looking at the women's side. It's slim pickens if you ask me. Betsie will no doubt make it outside of Houston but don't know that Nats is a lock this year for her.

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  115. Are you crazy? Don't know what list you were looking at, but Betsie's team is a lock for Nationals!!

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  116. top 4.5 singles players for next summer:

    kudrick- copperfield
    hess- lakeside
    borkop- duecebags
    q.bui- lakeside
    cooper- katy
    j.bui- duecebags
    h.nguyen- duecebags
    jim- titans
    callaway- schwinggs
    foncesa- blacksheeps
    januzzi- duecebags
    ahmed- hurricanes
    alzate- blacksheeps
    martinez- copperfield
    chambert- hurricanes

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  117. how about Nigel Waithe

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  118. waithe played dubs not singles

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  119. What about doubles players or teams?

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  120. canes dubs:
    over the years, the canes always have a well balanced dubs team. most of the time, they will win 2 out of the 3 lines. they have the type of line up that they can mix around their dubs players. however, this also works against them, cuz it could throw off the chemistry. in the upcoming 2011 season, they will heavily have to rely on their dubs, cuz they lost guy, mccool, plummer, bharath due to bump ups.

    lakeside dubs:
    wright/connell- this team was undefeated at line1, but wright was unable to make playoffs. team to watch next season

    katy dubs:
    norkus/weaver: no one knew anything about this team until they post an undefeated season, winning some tight matches.

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  121. The only 4.0 players in the past that would be consider a solid player on a 4.5 team would be:
    Odion, Omon, Jason Kern, and Sarosh.
    Forget about Foster, Martinez and etc they were great 4.0 players but not great 4.5 players.
    Danny Vu would beat all of the other 4.0 players mentioned. John Kudrick is a ringer in 4.5 no doubt.
    If Vu loses a 4.0 match next year it will because he is tanking. Vu could win all his matches 6-0, 6-0 if he wants to. He will probably lose a bunch of matches next year but on purpose. Just like he did in 2010.

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  122. For the record, Catherine is on vacation

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  123. sarosh? are you kidding? he's not an omon or odion. vu is a better player and would beat him. didn't januzzi retire him? he was a no show for the rest of the playoffs after that beating. every year, someone is always trying to hype sarosh, but he never dominates league nor win a tourney.

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  124. Januzzi beat him because Sarosh couldn't pass my grandmother at the net with that backhand of his. But against the 90 percent of players who stay at the baseline he will be trouble.

    I think Sarosh has beat Oman and Odion in practice matches. At least that't the rumour.

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  125. Practice counts for sh1t. It's how you play with pressure when something is on the line. Like playoffs and tournaments. Sarosh may have a good game but cannot bring it when it matters, then gives up when on his team. Not someone I would want on my team.

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  126. trudat, if i play like i do during practice, i will beat anyone, but that's not the case when i play tourneys or league. sarosh, instead of trying to beat omon or odion, maybe you should work on that backhand passing shot.

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  127. Practice? What are we talking about? Practice?

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  128. Once a week league play is my practice and match all in one.

    5 min warm up is my practice
    and 60 to 90 min match play.

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  129. Oman, Odion and Green would all easily beat Sarosh.

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  130. let's compare:

    sarosh's singles record:
    2008 2-2
    2009 2-4
    2010 4-2

    omon's singles record:
    2008 11-2
    2009 28-7
    2010 none

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  131. sarosh's singles record:
    2008 2-2
    2009 2-4
    2010 4-2

    omon's singles record:
    2008 11-2
    2009 28-7
    2010 open record 12-3

    green's singles record:
    2008 19-5
    2009 24-5
    2010 16-4

    There are guys that can beat these two but not many. They consistently win at all levels year after year.

    A lot of guys talk a good game.....these guys play a lot and let their record do the talking.

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  132. Sorry Chris, I hadn't realized you didn't bumped down. No offense implied. Please ice them nutz.

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  133. When you get into a sport one thing you have to consider is sports supplies tennis, otherwise, you couldn't utilize your full potential in sport

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