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As crappy as the 4.0 ratings look, I would bet on some 3.5 bumpups to be some of the top teams.
ReplyDeletewe should do a poll of the top teams.
ReplyDeleteare players that were DQ'd eligible? Example: Bruce Inting and Scott Foster?
ReplyDeleteFoster was not DQ'd. I think only people with YE 2009 4.0 ratings can play 4.0.
ReplyDeleteBruce and Scott are now 4.5 players (as of the 12.31.09 ratings) so they would be eligible at the 4.5 level.
ReplyDeleteNo self rated players will be invited.
Too bad we can't get a Green/Morton vs. Ballesteros/Huffman match.
ReplyDeleteGreen/Morton are playing WTT this weekend. Someone add Ballesteros/Huffman.
ReplyDeleteWhy do it on EOY 2009 ratings?
ReplyDeleteWhy not do it on last year's ratings?
Chris - it wouldn't matter which year, you still don't make it.
ReplyDeleteAlthough, I agree with you. Masters should be based on past year not in anticipation of the coming year.
I challenge you to a match. Let's see who is better at tanking to get back down to 4.0.
@1252p - Shoot me an email and we can go play.
ReplyDeleteI am on vaca this week and in Dallas next week for work but should be open after that.
It does seem a little odd. There is really no way to know top 3.5 or 4.0 doubles teams based on YE ratings. Might want to re-think this one Lance.
ReplyDeleteSince all the 4.0's got bumped up do we still have a group to make Top 8?
ReplyDeleteTop 4.5's
Odion
Matt S.
John B.
John Day
Ballesteros
Huffman
Lombardi
Morgan
Alain Tran
Hung P. Nguyen
Ward J.
T. Dugas
D. Dugas
Rothe
Judson
Bradley
Lacy
Robins
Letan
Morton
Goldberg
You're forgetting Red
ReplyDeleteSo basically, you're saying the remaining top 4.5s are from the Hurricanes & Deucebags, with 2 players each from Westside, Swhings and Copperfield.
ReplyDeleteHere's a thought - how about we ask everyone on the list + 3 Hurricanes to play on the same team next year.
ReplyDeletetop 8 4.5 singles player for 2010 summer league
ReplyDeleteodion
sumrall
q.bui
s.phan
moser
trevino
ford
h.nguyen
-no singles players from schwings, carpenter is bumped up
-copperfield, only if bergmann is healthy
-no singles player from duecebags, bui and hasker got bumped
- no singles from westside bs, bradley got bumped, however alzate can carry #2 singles
Yeah, I guess I'm leaving out Crush teams like phan/phan and Vu/Huynh. Who am I leaving out?? Sorry
ReplyDeleteYou forgot Ward and Sarosh from the singles list.
ReplyDeletedid not include ward, bc he plays 50's singles, not league singles.
ReplyDeleteas for sarosh, he lost to morales and diep who are pretty good, but not top 4.5
Can you rank those singles guys in order? You forgot Don Rios on that list.
ReplyDeleteIs this anything more than a Red/Freeman love fest?
ReplyDeleteThey are using this to slim the choices for next year.
Lance is helping put this together only to get snubbed as he won't get picked. The top guys will get pulled aside and talked to in prep for 2010.
Don't kid yourself.
rios lost to najaros and alzate last year. why would he belong on any list?
ReplyDeleteRios beat Moser and just recently won Lost Forest tournament. If you want to make that argument then what has Moser done in league tennis? He hasn't even been to the playoffs.
ReplyDeleterios must be back on track. as for moser, he just beat carpenter a few weeks ago. also went 3rd set breaker with juan dekruyff, the same guy that whipped t.green, 6-0,6-0
ReplyDeleteI wonder why Alain Tran doesn't let Ward play in their singles line up?
ReplyDeleteWait and see....
ReplyDeleteBrian and Herb got second in the Masters they should be invited.
ReplyDeleteRios has trouble winning while teamates are watching. He is a 500 hundred league player at best.
ReplyDeleteMasters event must have been pretty damn weak then.
ReplyDeletebrian and herb???? are you kidding me. don't worry hurricanes, no other team will try to steal them from you.
ReplyDeleteHoly crap. I just saw how well Goldberg and Herb did at Masters. Congrats guys, that's awesome! Herb must have been playing out of his mind to carry Goldberg that far!
ReplyDeleteActually Goldberg carried Herb. 2nd place at Masters. Not bad at all.
ReplyDeleteThe "Masters" included players like 4.0 Jimmy Fenn and the Dugas brothers. 'Nuf said.
ReplyDeleteMaster's is dying by the wayside, much like Combo. No interest. The 4.5 women couldn't field more than 6 teams and singles.
ReplyDeletereginald black got 2nd in 5.0, so that tells you alot about the masters.
ReplyDeletethe only two tourneys in houston that matters is the coke and fall fest. the other two is the lost forest winter. however, this is the league blog, so as far as i know, herb and goldberg are line #2 and #3 doubles
ReplyDeleteR. Black beat Reader to get the finals. I'd say that's an impressive win. Don't be mad you weren't invited Mr. 9:05.
ReplyDeleteAlso, how is it that Fall Fest and Lost Forest winter are notable tournaments. Who played ?
black would have a losing record if he played 4.5 league matches. he will not even win a single 5.0 league match. that's the difference between the caliber of league vs tourney.
ReplyDeleteAny combination of Omon, Odion,Wanja or Green will be a force in 5.0 league.
ReplyDelete5.0 leagues is not won in doubles its who has the best singles player. All those names listed above aren't 5.0 league singles players.
ReplyDeleteomon is the only one on that list that can hang with the 5.0
ReplyDeleteWanja has beaten Omon and lost only 1 match last year in league so, I think your wrong about that comment.
ReplyDeleteOmon, Odion,Wanja or Green of these four, green is the only one that can't hang
ReplyDeleteGreen has lost twice to Omon in League. Both times in a close third set breaker. He also went three sets with Wanja with match points. He is underrated in singles.
ReplyDeleteGreen lost 6-0,6-0 to Dekryuff in the finals of Sectionals.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I heard he also Choked at Nationals, and that's why Hurricanes didn't advance out of pool play. Green is way overrated !!
also got spanked by bradley, 6-4, 6-1
ReplyDeleteIs Bradley a top singles player? He was a lot of hype then he got crushed at City Playoffs.
ReplyDeleteBradley is a top singles player, but did not do well because he's from wisconsin. the summer heat got to him, plus he had his bachelor party on the same weekend at the playoffs. hell, i lived in houston for over 20 years and i still can't handle the heat.
ReplyDeletelance, when are you going to announce the team rosters for WTT. Would be nice if you posted on the blog.
ReplyDeleteTed Bradley also crushed Don Rios in league.
ReplyDeleteYou can't take any Tim Green results seriously, he is a notorious tanker.
ReplyDeleteIf there is one thing Tim does NOT do it's tank. If he loses a match it's b/c his opponent or opponents beat him. He is a Dinker though.
ReplyDeleteI agree, Tim does not tank. That is why he is 5.0 again.
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I was not involved but apparently the captains from Pac NW (finalist), Southern and MidWest all filed a grievance against Minka and her partner for their court behavior. The USTA suspended them both for 2010. Both players were bumped to 5.0 so I'm not sure that it makes a difference but hopefully they will behave with a little more class in the future.
ReplyDeleteNow that's funny. I wonder if she will argue that suspension. It was a sight to see Minka and her partner use every gamesmenship trick in the book to get the Victory. I like how she posts on her website that she is now the best amateur tennis player in the US. LOL.
ReplyDeleteIs it a known fact that anyone ever really tanks? My opinion - lots of speculation, assumptions, and false accusations. It's probably part of the new trend in the USTA ratings. The realization that anyone can have a bad day or play out of their minds. ie. redefining what defines a competitive match and recalculation of what it takes to get bumped up or down.
ReplyDeleteI have tanked many times and will probably do it again this year.
ReplyDeleteGoldberg and Morton had a great tournament and played good together. They are both good players. Rios is an underrated player so don't take him lightly.
ReplyDeleteQuit the hatin'!!
goldberg and morton are pretty good, but need to work on improving their game during off season. rios just needs a little more time to back into the swing of things.
ReplyDeleteWill someone please teach Tim how to tank. Tanking means to go down, not up.
ReplyDeletetim doesn't tank. it's just an excuse for losing
ReplyDeleteI don't make excuses for losing. I'm losing on purpose...
ReplyDeleteAny predictions on WTT? Rosters just out. Guess it's hard to tell without complete rosters but here's my guess:
ReplyDelete4.0 Supersmash
4.5 Hook 'em (like the name)
Rosters and Schedules have been released for WTT. Hopefully you will come out and watch an exciting event!
ReplyDeleteBTW
ReplyDeleteSaturday schedule:
3.0 8am; 12 pm; 4 pm
4.0 10am; 2 pm; 6 pm
Sunday schedule:
3.5 8am; 12 pm; 4 pm
4.5 10am; 2 pm; 5 pm
There will be 3 winners in the 4.0 draw and 2 winners in the 4.5 draw so gotta predict who will win each pool.
ReplyDeleteWhat did Minka do that was worth suspending her over ? I just recall Betsie saying she had no class, but no details...
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to describe or explain. Besides the kissing and grabbing each other's butts. Her over-celebration after EVERY point they won was extreme and excessive. I don't know that I agree with suspension. If it was that bad, why didn't the umpire do something about it. Maybe there will be a directive next year for umpires to keep unsportsmanlike conduct at a minimum. It was really bad though. The worse I have ever seen - even in a men's match. Put it this way, there was probably around 20-30 players from other Sections watching the match in the finals, and they were all openly and vocally cheering against Minka's team.
ReplyDeletei hate women being jealous of other women. minka looks and play better then you, so let it go. hey why won't we take a vote. who would you rather take on a date? minka or betsie
ReplyDeleteBetsie!
ReplyDeleteHey, I wasn't the one who filed the grievance. The other captains asked me to but I declined. It's part of the game. I was just answering the post asking what it was she did that was so offensive. If you read my post closely you'll see that I said, I don't know that I agree with the suspension.
ReplyDeleteI guess what took it to the extreme level is she would yell and scream on everything, even unforced errors. The other teams would dump a return and she'd start yelling and screaming.
And as far as dating, you may as well be a snowball in hell cuz I'm not interested in any guys these days, not even Tiger Woods.
Awkward silence as we wonder if Betsie is coming out as a lesbian...???
ReplyDeletePlease leave the personal attacks of the blog. We all can say what we want about league tennis but, it really gets out of hand when you start making accusations that don't relate to tennis.
ReplyDeleteI've heard through the grapevine Betsie's been going through a very lengthy and acrimonious divorce (married 20 years). It's partially why she hasn't played much and didn't play any post-season matches.
ReplyDeleteYou should be embarrased...
It's ok. Guess I had that coming given my post... Just wish in what is now almost 2010 such inappropriate posts could be avoided.
ReplyDelete2009 was a hard year for me but life certainly could be a lot worse. My experience has been that for every negative life-altering event, at least one thing good comes from it. I can't wait for tomorrow.
It was not a personal attack. I truly thought that is what she was saying and did not know about the divorce. Hang in there Betsie.
ReplyDeleteDon't sweat it. It's really ok. It's been going on so long I assumed everyone knew. If I ever did decide to switch sides I still wouldn't have a problem with it. And the Bloggers would be the first to know!
ReplyDeleteWTT was fun today. Lot's of talk about end of year rating bump ups. It's too bad all those 4.0's got bumped up.
ReplyDeleteLots of talk this weekend at WTT about 4.0 bump ups. Looks like the draws will be bigger in 4.5 all around the state. Congrats to the 4.0 teams that won.
ReplyDeleteSounded to me like a lot of the 4.5 bumps aren't going to play.
ReplyDeletePeople keep saying that HTA leauge does not count in the ratings calculations (Greg even posted it at the beginning of the fall season). Are we sure that is the case? Has HTA confirmed that fall league does not count toward year end ratings??
ReplyDelete2009 HTA Fall League does not count towards 2009 YE Ratings. The way to know what does apply is do a search on the player name for 2009 and all of the match results that appear for that player and year are what counts. 2009 Fall results do not appear unless you go to 2010 results.
ReplyDeleteSo HTA Spring league would count? I thought NONE of the HTA league results factored in to ratings. Lots of conflicting info. Has anyone heard directly form HTA or USTA TX on this matter?
ReplyDeleteHTA League is not a USTA sanctioned event and is not supposed to count towards ratings. It is not and never has been clear whether or not HTA results count towards ratings. There are some players out there who don't play USTA League or Tournaments (just HTA League) who somehow have computer ratings so they must factor in somehow.
ReplyDeleteI just spoke with the USTA Texas Section director and here are the facts.
ReplyDeleteThe USTA rating is comprised of the SPRING HTA season, the summer USTA season and USTA sanctioned tournaments. The FALL HTA season has no bearing on USTA ratings at all.
Way to man up and use your name.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what makes the Spring season so special over the Fall season.
ReplyDeleteLance do you have the list of winners from the last WTT event?
Is everyone getting double hit on the USTA surveys from Stratagem Research Inc. or I am the lucky winner?
ReplyDeleteHow annoying is that shizzle?
I wonder if they really listen anywho.
They said they do. One of the questions on a survey in the past was if we wanted better t-shirts. This year at nationals they gave dri-fit shirts instead of cotton shirts. I guess that's a start.
ReplyDeleteDri-Fit shirts but no water at the secondary courts. We had to get a family member to go buy a case of water for the team.
ReplyDeleteAnyone playing Tri Level event? When does the Spring league start?
ReplyDeleteWho are the top tri-level teams? What players?
ReplyDeleteTop 4.5 guys already listed?
Top 4.0 guys?
Top 3.5 guys?
What about the girls?
Why is there not consistency in how the Section does Tri-Level. I noticed that San Antonio has already played their tournament and they allowed 2009 mid-year ratings. It doesn't seem right if all the cities are not going by the same rating point,
ReplyDeleteFort Worth had some folks sign up before the ratings and others still signing up after the ratings. They are using both systems.
ReplyDeleteDallas and Houston are using YE 2009 ratings.
That's ridiculous. The TTA needs to make a set rule on what is used and all the cities do it that way. I know last year Houston used Mid-Year and other cities didn't.
ReplyDeleteIt's especially unfair this year as the "stricter" formula was not used for mid-year so cities using mid-year definitely have an advantage.
ReplyDeleteI agree. That sux
ReplyDeleteLooks like Shock and Awe and Hurricanes are the only teams with players signed up. Tri Levels should get more exposure but, I guess everyone is still trying to ease into the New Year.
ReplyDeleteShould Houston do tri-level at a different time of year? I hate playing in the cold and wind.
ReplyDeleteIt's dictatated by Sectionals and Nationals. Sectionals is Feb 19-21 and Nationals is March 19-21.
ReplyDeleteThere will probably be multiple Houston teams advance to Tri-Level sectionals. This should encourage more teams to form. The women had a lot of teams last year. I think the new ratings really crippled this league.
ReplyDeleteLast year the women only had 1 team advance which is a shame because Betsie's team beat the winner and only lost by 2 games.
ReplyDeleteJust found out that tri level nationals is in Palm Springs during Pacific life Open. That would be fun. Too bad I'm only going to see the local event only. Competition is tough in Houston.
ReplyDeleteIt's been there the last 3 years. Great event. Everyone who has gone has said it's the best event of the year (including USTA Adult League). You get a great FILA gift bag and free ticket to the Pac Life Open. Plus I believe you play at the same courts the pro tourney is being played and the pros are playing at the same time you are.
ReplyDeleteIf anyone is interested here is a video my cousin edited from the footage I took from last year's tri-level.
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Jason may be dethroned this year. Houston teams have a huge disadvantage against teams such as Ft Worth and San Antonio. Those teams were able to use MY Ratings that were not scaled in the same way YE Ratings were.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Austin also used MY Ratings
ReplyDeleteNice to know we still have some clueless posters on here. Since San Antonio is already finished it would be good to take a look at their roster before you post. San Antonio doesn't even have a 4.5 on their roster competing at sectionals. And to the last poster about Austin using Mid year ratings, well let's see they didn't even have a Tri Level league.
ReplyDeleteNice to know we still have some clueless posters on here. Since San Antonio is already finished it would be good to take a look at their roster before you post. San Antonio doesn't even have a 4.5 on their roster competing at sectionals. And to the last poster about Austin using Mid year ratings, well let's see they didn't even have a Tri Level league. Way to do your research.
ReplyDeleteActually, if you count it as tennis the SA women's Tri-Level team is very stacked this year with more than half the team MY drops who were then bumped back up for YE. Same for the Austin team.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget, a lot of women actually follow the Blog!
ReplyDeleteMy apologies to the women. I was responding to the attack on Jason being dethroned.
ReplyDeleteNP - Different Posters...
ReplyDeleteI think Houston will do just fine at Tri-Level and summer sectionals at all levels.
ReplyDeleteHouston has gotten the shaft as far as ratings go for the last two years for Tri-level. It hasn't stopped Houston from fielding quality teams though.
ReplyDeleteHouston men's has reached the final and gone to nationals in the last two years while the women have gone to Nationals and lost to the Dallas team that eventually advanced to Nationals.
Last year's women's local league was as close as it could get with Betsie's team being edged out by 2 games.
Betsie's team probably would have faired better at Sectionals than last year's Heat team with the 4.5 line being so strong and Emily Jacobs anchoring that 4.0 line. They probably would have had to win 2-1 the entire way but they had the talent to do it.
The Heat almost had a chance to repeat back to back trips to Nationals. I wonder if they are going to have a team this year again.
Mike,
ReplyDeleteHouston got the benefit of the ratings last year - YOU played as a 3.5 with a YE 2008 rating of 4.0 so be careful screaming bloody murder :)
Hmmm...you're right about last year. I was probably thinking about 2008 when we weren't allowed to use mid-year ratings and had to use EOY. That year Patton didn't get the early season bump and we had him penciled in for 4.0 and then at the end of the year he got bumped to 4.5. That really hurt our 4.0 line. Teams like Austin that year were able to use mid-year though. 2009 was fair though. Thanks for correcting me.
ReplyDeleteBottom line it is clear that due to the timing of Tri-Level some teams will always get the short end of the stick where ratings are concerned and the Section needs to make it more consistent in fairness to all cities. I just looked at the women's San Antonio roster (as per someone else's post) and it is loaded. It will be hard for any Houston team to beat them this year. Evonne Allerkamp and Rachel Kensing playing 4.5 and Becki Pollock playing 4.0 and 3 of their 3.5s YE rated 4.0. That's a loaded team.
ReplyDeleteActually the Heat didn't make it out of their flight in TL last year.
ReplyDeleteThe playing field is even where the Tri-Level Men are concerned as the record has been set straight for Austin and San Antonio and we know Dallas is using YE ratings. But how about Ft Worth. That may be a little hurdle that Jason's team has at Sectionals since they used MYR. Other than that I don't imagine Jaons will have any problem winning Sectionals again this year.
ReplyDeleteThe womens side is a different story. I agree, that San Antonio team will be hard to beat.
Heat didn't make it out of their flight in sectionals last year but they did lose to Dallas who eventually won the whole thing. They did however go to Nationals the year before last. I'm rooting for a Houston men's and women's trip to nationals this year since they've swapped years the last two.
ReplyDeletewhen is tri level? any one need a solid 4.5?
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Hernan at Lost Forest may be looking for some players.
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